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Unfortunately work around this has been suspended because it's a "waste of time".

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4 hours ago, Sven said:

Unfortunately work around this has been suspended because it's a "waste of time".

Consider this thread closed.

@Sven Whom ever said this is a waste of time is not in their right mind. DON'T STOP!!! KEEP GOING!!!

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4 hours ago, Sven said:

Unfortunately work around this has been suspended because it's a "waste of time".

Consider this thread closed.

Is not. To real new z players this is a nice increase in game.

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1 hour ago, CampersRUs said:

@Sven Whom ever said this is a waste of time is not in their right mind. DON'T STOP!!! KEEP GOING!!!

I know. I agree. Unfortunately the decision is not up to me and I'm not allowed to continue further. Sorry.

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1 hour ago, Sven said:

I know. I agree. Unfortunately the decision is not up to me and I'm not allowed to continue further. Sorry.

Its messed up. Hell part was on your own time! WTH are they thinking? I guess they're too worried about adding more rock piles and trees growing in the middle of roads that what the game looks like. Sorry man, we understand you tried to do something nice for the game AND for the players. Thank you, you're still going to have our support bc no one else cares as much for the player base.  We appreciate you more than you know!!

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3 minutes ago, DNI_Adrian said:

Its messed up. Hell part was on your own time! WTH are they thinking? I guess they're too worried about adding more rock piles and trees growing in the middle of roads that what the game looks like. Sorry man, we understand you tried to do something nice for the game AND for the players. Thank you, you're still going to have our support bc no one else cares as much for the player base.  We appreciate you more than you know!!

I know man don't worry. I know it can change a lot besides the fact that a lot of current icon look like complete *** and a thousand other reasons but not everyone sees it that way.

It wasn't just my own time, I'd do it in my own time but even that has 0 point so it kind of sucks. I have to admit that I have spend a couple of "work" hours here and there on this, but then again :P

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6 hours ago, Sven said:

Unfortunately work around this has been suspended because it's a "waste of time".

Consider this thread closed.

@Sven Whomever made this decision to shut you down on your WiP with the reworks is a total @sshat and a jerk!! I thi9nk that whomever did this to you is actually jealous of all the wonderful comments you relieved.  You have done WONDERS to bolster the community. It is sad that whomever made the decision clearly does NOT want to see or hear what the players want. Clearly you got nothing but raving reviews about how well you were doing with this little project. It saddens me that it has came to this for you. Please don't give up the fight, we are behind you! I can't even begin to express, because mere words don't  do you the justice that you deserve, nor do they even begin to describe, all that you have done. You are true to your word, honest, and fair. You Sir, are a dying breed, and you are AWESOME!!!!

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Hey,

The icon rework was never considered a waste of time, however June and July has been filled with work for us and I felt that there were more important areas where Sven could be to great help. There was other, more urgent things needing attention and therefore I made the decision to put this on halt for now. We may continue on this as time allows us.

Thanks for your encouraging comments. Please leave the insults out.

Elias

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1 hour ago, 3lias said:

Hey,

The icon rework was never considered a waste of time, however June and July has been filled with work for us and I felt that there were more important areas where Sven could be to great help. There was other, more urgent things needing attention and therefore I made the decision to put this on halt for now. We may continue on this as time allows us.

Thanks for your encouraging comments. Please leave the insults out.

Elias

There is always going to be something more pressing to do, something more critical. There is a reason most of the icons have not been touched since created. Clearly by @Sven using his own time, he wanted  to make the game look as clean as possible. Especially for those who play on large screens where the distortion is most noticed. Just remembered, we are watching, closely at that.  You have a very angry part of the game population, and I don't think you realize just how much so. 

        How many times have we been told this will change, or that will be done differently and nothing has. You tell them to leave out a minor insult yet ignore the derogatory names they reported.  Interesting how  it's ok do say far worse in-game ...  We are watching.  It's ok for player to call us whatever "it's part of the game" we're told, but how dare you say it to or about decision maker. That's one hell of a double standard I would think. 

 

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6 hours ago, Chaos&Mayhem said:

There is always going to be something more pressing to do, something more critical. There is a reason most of the icons have not been touched since created. Clearly by @Sven using his own time, he wanted  to make the game look as clean as possible. Especially for those who play on large screens where the distortion is most noticed. Just remembered, we are watching, closely at that.  You have a very angry part of the game population, and I don't think you realize just how much so. 

         How many times have we been told this will change, or that will be done differently and nothing has. You tell them to leave out a minor insult yet ignore the derogatory names they reported.  Interesting how  it's ok do say far worse in-game ...  We are watching.  It's ok for player to call us whatever "it's part of the game" we're told, but how dare you say it to or about decision maker. That's one hell of a double standard I would think. 

  

What anyone does in their free-time is up to them. This wasn't a case of free-time work like I mentioned earlier.

I'm taking care of the reports I get (as Katryna can prob confirm) but we also have over 4,5 million accounts so it's hard to stay on top of everything.

I just asked to skip the insults, it doesn't help the discussion and it surely isn't justified just because someone else did something worse.

 

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17 minutes ago, 3lias said:

I'm taking care of the reports I get (as Katryna can prob confirm) but we also have over 4,5 million accounts so it's hard to stay on top of everything.

I just asked to skip the insults, it doesn't help the discussion and it surely isn't justified just because someone else did something worse.

Im glad you are. Sadly I don't know about anyone elses exp here BUT I have Video of reports Ive personally made about a player whos name glorified Nazis, days in a row. As of a couple days ago they were still on here, same name, still thinking Hitler was cool... I thought you had people who took care of the in game reporting of such. I feel bad for new people of any race logging in to see that.  

As for skipping the insults ( which wasn't made by the person you replied to BTW ) I do tend to agree with them tho.  You asked us to not use them yet allow much worse said in game. I don't think its so much of " Oh someone did worse so..." as it its "Its ok as long as it isn't at one of us, then its problematic. As long as it you ( a player)  theyre insulting its fine, its just part of the game..." Right now I equate this to a parent saying "do as I say, not as I do" bc its equally hypocritical. But since you brought it up about someone said worse,  what was said here PALES in comparison to what gets said in game and gets a pass. I guess my point is either its ok or its not. Its either part of the territory that comes with dealing with players or its not ok at all even for players to use toward other players. Ask any farmer why straddling the fence is a bad idea... 

 

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@3lias, I personally am glad that you are taking care of the reports you get. I will endeavor to keep my temper in check in the future. What I would really like to know is, are the in-game reports even looked at? It doesn't seem likely since we see the same character names, and are subjected to a lot of the same insults. Some worse than other, but they are insults none the less. I can take being called a 'noob' or a 'rookie' (although both those names make me chuckle). Now, I know what I'm about to ask is extremely difficult and could cause a logistical problem. Can someone, on a rotating basis, act as a moderator in the game servers? I'm not talking about the hundreds of personal servers that are locked and only available to those that are selected to be a part of those particular servers. What I am suggesting however, is for the open servers that anybody and/or everybody can join. Those are the places that we are talking about. What people do with their own personal servers is their business. But the public servers need to be monitored. Now, I know this is particularly difficult due to the fact of the different languages that are spoken since this is a global game. Would this be a possibility?

BTW... I have gotten, as I'm sure others have gotten, some answers from the support staff that can be considered 'insulting' so to speak. I sincerely hope that they will be held to the same standards that we are expected to. Just remember, insults come in many different forms. You can insult someone's ethnicity, gender, intelligence, and ability to pay for certain services. Just making sure we are going to be standing on equal ground here.

Have a Nice Day!!! 😎

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Nice job Sven!!! Amazing work!!! Please if its possible can you make a little ajustment on ghillies colors or some rework on them too???? Thanks we all appriciate your work 😀😀

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6 hours ago, CampersRUs said:

@3lias, I personally am glad that you are taking care of the reports you get. I will endeavor to keep my temper in check in the future. What I would really like to know is, are the in-game reports even looked at? It doesn't seem likely since we see the same character names, and are subjected to a lot of the same insults. Some worse than other, but they are insults none the less. I can take being called a 'noob' or a 'rookie' (although both those names make me chuckle). Now, I know what I'm about to ask is extremely difficult and could cause a logistical problem. Can someone, on a rotating basis, act as a moderator in the game servers? I'm not talking about the hundreds of personal servers that are locked and only available to those that are selected to be a part of those particular servers. What I am suggesting however, is for the open servers that anybody and/or everybody can join. Those are the places that we are talking about. What people do with their own personal servers is their business. But the public servers need to be monitored. Now, I know this is particularly difficult due to the fact of the different languages that are spoken since this is a global game. Would this be a possibility?

 BTW... I have gotten, as I'm sure others have gotten, some answers from the support staff that can be considered 'insulting' so to speak. I sincerely hope that they will be held to the same standards that we are expected to. Just remember, insults come in many different forms. You can insult someone's ethnicity, gender, intelligence, and ability to pay for certain services. Just making sure we are going to be standing on equal ground here.

 Have a Nice Day!!! 😎

We don't have the logistical resources to have a moderator in every server unfortunately. It's hard to draw a line between bannable and non-bannable offenses. I know it's not okay but for the same reason you see this type of language/insults in almost every online game out there.

Chupa is taking care of the majority of reports and I am confident he takes every report seriously. I am aware that there have been cases of Staff being rude and I have taken it seriously every time. That's never OK.

As always thanks for your input.

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4 hours ago, 3lias said:

We don't have the logistical resources to have a moderator in every server unfortunately. It's hard to draw a line between bannable and non-bannable offenses. I know it's not okay but for the same reason you see this type of language/insults in almost every online game out there.

Chupa is taking care of the majority of reports and I am confident he takes every report seriously. I am aware that there have been cases of Staff being rude and I have taken it seriously every time. That's never OK.

As always thanks for your input.

Then how about expanding the FAC  or chat filters to pic up variations of words. Common ones like T H I S, words the filter already rejects that uses spaces between letters and TH!S where an explanation point is used as an " I " .  Also, the name involving Hitler/ Nazis... how did that get through any filter?? Better yet WHY?? Also having  the filter on trade chat block the words sell GC or selling GC or Trade GC  that doesn't have the word airdrop after. 

Even if you don't have the manpower to go through all the in game complaints, you "could" make changes to the filter and that would help a lot and would probably reduce his work load. There are ways to do this.  There is an old adage " where there's a will, there's a way". I have no doubt he ( Chupa)  takes reports seriously, and I am not even demanding BANS, I am pushing to make names that are VULGAR, or RACIST have to change their name.  Im pushing for some sort of change, that makes sense. Why is the name " Cassie" blocked and one with Hitler Or NAZI  allowed? I don't advocate for bans of players but advocating for changes to curb the verbal abuse I am all for and that IS something you could stop if you wanted....!

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15 minutes ago, DNI_Adrian said:

Then how about expanding the FAC  or chat filters to pic up variations of words. Common ones like T H I S, words the filter already rejects that uses spaces between letters and TH!S where an explanation point is used as an " I " .  Also, the name involving Hitler/ Nazis... how did that get through any filter?? Better yet WHY?? Also having  the filter on trade chat block the words sell GC or selling GC or Trade GC  that doesn't have the word airdrop after. 

Even if you don't have the manpower to go through all the in game complaints, you "could" make changes to the filter and that would help a lot and would probably reduce his work load. There are ways to do this.  There is an old adage " where there's a will, there's a way". I have no doubt he ( Chupa)  takes reports seriously, and I am not even demanding BANS, I am pushing to make names that are VULGAR, or RACIST have to change their name.  Im pushing for some sort of change, that makes sense. Why is the name " Cassie" blocked and one with Hitler Or NAZI  allowed? I don't advocate for bans of players but advocating for changes to curb the verbal abuse I am all for and that IS something you could stop if you wanted....!

I'm a big fan of automating systems instead of people doing raw manual work day in day out as long as it is 100% water proof in ways of that it's 100% certainty. In this case, there is some filters we could and should adjust to the chat and the spaces for example should be relatively easy to detect.

On the other hand we could also look at other alternatives including to add a report category for names. This way we can at least filter out the character names and those reports could be checked based on for example how many times a name has been reported.

For the actual chat there is further alternatives too and a bit of out-of-the-box thinking we could even add a chat ban function to prevent these users from chatting instead of banning them from the game.

These are all very simple and doable solutions and just some I can think of right now. Probably can come up with a ton of more suggestions.

Just my opinion and ideas. I'm not a coder and can't add it to the game / systems myself unfortunately.

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2 minutes ago, Sven said:

I'm a big fan of automating systems instead of people doing raw manual work day in day out as long as it is 100% water proof in ways of that it's 100% certainty. In this case, there is some filters we could and should adjust to the chat and the spaces for example should be relatively easy to detect.

On the other hand we could also look at other alternatives including to add a report category for names. This way we can at least filter out the character names and those reports could be checked based on for example how many times a name has been reported.

For the actual chat there is further alternatives too and a bit of out-of-the-box thinking we could even add a chat ban function to prevent these users from chatting instead of banning them from the game.

These are all very simple and doable solutions and just some I can think of right now. Probably can come up with a ton of more suggestions.

Just my opinion and ideas. I'm not a coder and can't add it to the game / systems myself unfortunately.

Thank you! This is what I was looking for @Sven.  I could not understand why this could not be fixed by the filter which I believe I suggested before. I understand its not your job 😎 you also have enough on your plate! BUT  now that someone understands why we are complaining and how to fix this maybe it could be!  Again,  I not really even advocating for perm chat bans either. Maybe a week or so. Something to say " this is not ok!! " . I was reading on discord people there complaining about  "only 3 day bans" and others laughing saying its " only 3 days, NP" so maybe a week on chat ban. I like the ideas above otherwise, now if we can just get whoever does the coding and the Boss ✍🏽️👨🏽‍💻on board ! ( It would cure one of @CampersRUs, @Katryna247 and my  gripes. One or two less things to hear us repeat over and over! ) Again, thank you.

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5 minutes ago, DNI_Adrian said:

Thank you! This is what I was looking for @Sven.  I could not understand why this could not be fixed by the filter which I believe I suggested before. I understand its not your job 😎 you also have enough on your plate! BUT  now that someone understands why we are complaining and how to fix this maybe it could be!  Again,  I not really even advocating for perm chat bans either. Maybe a week or so. Something to say " this is not ok!! " . I was reading on discord people there complaining about  "only 3 day bans" and others laughing saying its " only 3 days, NP" so maybe a week on chat ban. I like the ideas above otherwise, now if we can just get whoever does the coding and the Boss ✍🏽️👨🏽‍💻on board ! ( It would cure one of @CampersRUs, @Katryna247 and my  gripes. One or two less things to hear us repeat over and over! ) Again, thank you.

The bans is also something that NEEDS to be improved.

They are bad in a way, cause it makes us lose players if we are strict. However on the other hand we have to.

Then you have the kids that say "only 3 day ban no problem" and continue anyways. The only power IS banning here at this moment. Unfortunately.

I have pointed out to the rest many times we have to address and improve this in ways for example by adding more ban systems for chat, per game-mode, voice bans, etc. etc.

Also, I do still think rules / punishments have to be reworked and improved. We could introduce other ways as punishment such as wiping XP, GD, inventories etc. etc.

These are all things that would fix the "only 3 day ban no problem" kids.

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6 hours ago, 3lias said:

We don't have the logistical resources to have a moderator in every server unfortunately. It's hard to draw a line between bannable and non-bannable offenses. I know it's not okay but for the same reason you see this type of language/insults in almost every online game out there.

First of all, I have a hypothetical question. If a friend jumps off a 300' cliff, would you just blindly follow? Just because offensive/vulgar/degrading language is in other games does NOT mean that it needs to be or should be in this one.

As I stated in my previous comment, I know the logistical nightmare it would be to try to have someone monitor every open server. However, what I did say was can someone, on a ROTATING basis, act as a monitor in the open unlocked servers. I think I even read somewhere (my memory escapes me where I saw it) that a moderator's name would appear in green. It would only take around 3-4 people to survey the different servers just to do a quick check on character names. BTW, Character names are something that can quickly be monitored if a filter were in place to block certain words and/or phrases. I know that both @DNI_Adrian and @Katryna247 have talked about this a lot. @Sven has the right idea. Make improvements to the filter that is already in place. it's disheartening to go in to servers and see the same offensive names over and over. Especially since some names have been reported multiple times. This CAN improve, as @Sven said, add a couple more report categories to encompass the language and character names. These new categories could be monitored more closely. This would greatly reduce the stress that can occur when someone keeps seeing the same behavior repeated by the same names. Here's a thought. Instead of having the system set up to use *** to block flagged words, why not reject the comment in text chat so it doesn't even appear on screen. That system is easily circumvented by using special characters. For someone that has knowledge of the ASCII codes it's even easier. For example ~Ò¿Ó~ I'm watching you. Also using s p a c e s or p.e.r.i.o.d.s between letters is another way to circumvent the current system.

As far as bannable offenses, I think the '3 strikes and you're out' rule is a good idea. If a 3 day ban is being laughed off then make it a week for the first offense, a month for the second offense, and perm ban for the third. Yes, I know, there are a lot of people out there that use a VPN. Before they came in to being, it was easy to just do an IP ban. But, since a VPN rotates the IP of a user, this won't work. However, someone that is determined to use such names will be persistent and keep trying. In fact, they will become more blatant in their use of such names since they are upset that you had the audacity to ban them in the first place. I suspect that there are those out there that already have more than one account. (just my personal opinion here).

I think that all of us have hit on a workable solution to one of the problems in this game. (No, I'm not going to mention trees or boulders) 😇😂🤣😜

Have a Nice Day!!! 😎

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42 minutes ago, Sven said:

The bans is also something that NEEDS to be improved.

They are bad in a way, cause it makes us lose players if we are strict. However on the other hand we have to.

Then you have the kids that say "only 3 day ban no problem" and continue anyways. The only power IS banning here at this moment. Unfortunately.

I have pointed out to the rest many times we have to address and improve this in ways for example by adding more ban systems for chat, per game-mode, voice bans, etc. etc.

Also, I do still think rules / punishments have to be reworked and improved. We could introduce other ways as punishment such as wiping XP, GD, inventories etc. etc.

These are all things that would fix the "only 3 day ban no problem" kids.

Those would be more significant in a players eyes. There is a reason I swatted back at  @3lias, bc the answer saying  Chup is taking it serious but they don't have manpower to deal with/ look at all the complaints. I realize other games have nasty trash talk, but do the Devs here really "want" to be one of them? There are so many things can be done yet he did not offer any kind of fix.  I like the ideas, maybe add taking rep, but do in stages. Example: 

1st offence 1 week chat ban ( doesn't seem bad til thy realize they cant trade)

2nd wipe XP and Rep 

3rd Wipe GI

4 Ban

This could be done  for like 3- 6 months time frames. What ever the set time frame the penalties are they re set X calender  time. Similar to how employers use occurrences.  

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As a side note...

It's funny how there is a system in place that limits how many times we can react to posts in the forum but not a better one for blocking offensive language and character names.

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2 hours ago, DNI_Adrian said:

Those would be more significant in a players eyes. There is a reason I swatted back at  @3lias, bc the answer saying  Chup is taking it serious but they don't have manpower to deal with/ look at all the complaints. I realize other games have nasty trash talk, but do the Devs here really "want" to be one of them? There are so many things can be done yet he did not offer any kind of fix.  I like the ideas, maybe add taking rep, but do in stages. Example: 

1st offence 1 week chat ban ( doesn't seem bad til thy realize they cant trade)

2nd wipe XP and Rep 

3rd Wipe GI

4 Ban

This could be done  for like 3- 6 months time frames. What ever the set time frame the penalties are they re set X calender  time. Similar to how employers use occurrences.  

In my opinion all bans should be to "disable" the acc. In free online game, temporary ban can't maked diference. I agree your list, but in diferent order;
1. Wipe XP and Rep with - Chat block at 1 week
2. Wipe GI and all chars
3. Make a oficial list to show the "trash" playes to all comunity
4. Stop the computer processor-fan.

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2 hours ago, JKS said:

1. Wipe XP and Rep with - Chat block at 1 week
2. Wipe GI and all chars
3. Make a oficial list to show the "trash" playes to all comunity

Love this idea JKS. The ban process should hit them HARD to prove to them this is no joke! That way if they do get banned they had plenty of warning, and plenty of time to think about if they were going to do it again or not.

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