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Regarding Third person/First person camera and Lockers

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Cameras:
I was wondering if there would be a possiblity to implement "first person camera only" servers for survival, and see how popular they become.

I know this might actually divide the community, but me myself I come from oldschool first person shooter games, and third person camera just does not stick with me. 
The kills are a lot less rewarding, and looking at the bullets fly out at and angle from third person some how diminishes the experience for me.
Also i find myself getting more frags in confronations during warm up on warm up servers using first person camera. It also is way quicker to get into scope, rather than firstly changing camera mode C, then right click into scope... so much hassle.

As of now in survival playing in first person mode only is suicide. The third person camera has a profound advantage, as one can peak without being seen. This leads to people waiting and camping behind trees staying unseen, which breaks any realism during combat phases.
I have noticed that during third person camera and first person camera only the position of the camera changes - in third the default alt key actually moves the camera to the sides, where as during first person camera the camera is centered. This is a huge handicap; I tried this out and lost a battle just because during first person camera my body peaked more, than my enemy which was clearly in third person; his side of the body was less exposed than mine.

Imagine survival mode with first person camera only, where in order to peak, you press a button and the enemy might see your head sticking out from behind a tree, and headshot you... this naturally would have to be implemented, with animation and camera movement.
This would bring a whole new level to the game, more tactic more concealment, strategy etc. At least that is what I think. This would also fix any issues with sniping (thank heavens in survival the snipers are rare).

I know there is this trend with third person shooters trying to become a genre of its own, but I am just not getting it to be honest, who camps out who the most has a bigger chance with third person camera (perhaps less true with super pro players, and players with hp macros).

I would be prepared to support you for this feature and purchase a premium account for this to be implemented. I know only me doing this would only  be symbolic, but perhaps more players would jump on the bandwagon, if they liked this idea.

Another way out would be to blur, or not show players/zombies once the player is near to a wall in third person mode. However I thing first person camera would be the best option IMO and so much easier to implement.

Perhaps the respone will be that this game was not made to be first person, but still please consider that this could change the game for the better. A test run of 1 server with this option would clarify if this would become popular or not.

Also: Car camera... camera in the car has a ridiculous advantage over players on foot. One can rotate and see behind walls, inside buildings without the player being concious that he had been discovered.
This actually lead me to only play survival once I find a car.. so I log in a sever and look for a car. If I dont find one, I change to another server until i find a car.
The car camera should also be either first person, or zoomed in so that the car would take up most screen space.

Lockers:
Nothing is permanent, and nothing should be permanent, as this skews any game mechanic. Lockers should have an upkeep after a period of time. For example every week, each locker needs 1 metal of resource to stay intact. This would actually limit players having 10000 lockers all over rooftops in survival mode, making it silly in my opinion.

If the upkeep would not be met, lockers could either be broken into without the password, or they would degrade and vanish. This would prevent players spaming lockers, and would introduce the need for players to play the game to keep their lockers, populating the servers a little more perhaps at least for some time.
If a locker would be taken back to the vault, naturally there would be no need for an upkeep as it is hiddenl; only when placed/planted.

Maybe a locker limit per player could also be introduced? However people could create other accounts to bypass this, so locker upkeep would be the best solution in my opinion.


Again, I am not asking for you to change the whole game just for me, only to implement 1 server (on either US or EU please :P) to see how it goes, and wether or not it gains popularity.
Who knows, this might get you even more players? 


Cheers

 

Edited by rugged bro
Typos, lazy proof reading

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I have made the suggestion on FP servers only but it was met with "this is newz" type anti progressive  thinking.   Having FP or TP or both isn't going to change NewZ from being NewZ but the idea of FP only is quite intriguing,  would be for the hardcore FPS gamer.

My issue with TP view is that it is open to a lot of game abuse and favours snipers only due to peek and quickscope,  I may accept TP if they removed the crosshair from it to take away all disproportionate disadvantage. 

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16 minutes ago, jewdiciousorange said:

I have made the suggestion on FP servers only but it was met with "this is newz" type anti progressive  thinking.   Having FP or TP or both isn't going to change NewZ from being NewZ but the idea of FP only is quite intriguing,  would be for the hardcore FPS gamer.

Introducing an only FP server would change NewZ into BrandNewZ ;)
It is shame, perhaps if more players would back this up, this would be a possibility.

16 minutes ago, jewdiciousorange said:

My issue with TP view is that it is open to a lot of game abuse and favours snipers only due to peek and quickscope,  I may accept TP if they removed the crosshair from it to take away all disproportionate disadvantage. 

I have been playing this game for about 11/12 days, and Open mode is unplayable for me. I dont like to snipe, but rather duke it out with assault rifles, however the TP advantage for snipers camping rooftops or higher grounds is beyond ridiculous.. granted there are some servers without snipers but these do not have too many players on board.
In the end I am all for survival as it is more rewarding, and there is that uncomfortable feeling that you will lose your gear once you get killed, which in turn can be quite a rush.

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9 minutes ago, rugged bro said:

Introducing an only FP server would change NewZ into BrandNewZ ;)
It is shame, perhaps if more players would back this up, this would be a possibility.

I have been playing this game for about 11/12 days, and Open mode is unplayable for me. I dont like to snipe, but rather duke it out with assault rifles, however the TP advantage for snipers camping rooftops or higher grounds is beyond ridiculous.. granted there are some servers without snipers but these do not have too many players on board.
In the end I am all for survival as it is more rewarding, and there is that uncomfortable feeling that you will lose your gear once you get killed, which in turn can be quite a rush.

I have played this game for about 8 months now,  since I boycotted EA games.  I have learnt how to be more successful against snipers in open world and most of that is about being sneaky and only stepping out at the right time.   I get a lot of snipers who get distracted shield up back to me and pepper them with the AR,  no chance for them to do anything.

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10 hours ago, jewdiciousorange said:

I have played this game for about 8 months now,  since I boycotted EA games.  I have learnt how to be more successful against snipers in open world and most of that is about being sneaky and only stepping out at the right time.   I get a lot of snipers who get distracted shield up back to me and pepper them with the AR,  no chance for them to do anything.

One can hardly tell when is the right time to step out due the third person camera.. if it was first, you would spot a sniper peeking, now you have to second guess or wait it out untill you see them targeting another person/changing focus to another area. And if there is a team of 3 snipers each one looking at a different angle? FP for the win imo, but only in survival mode, since it makes sense there the most.

Anyway most of this is simply the games mechanic, Im not asking for a total change of game, but only for 1 server, to see how things go. 

Clearly I would like a little bit more realistic experience, and NewZ is very much arcade no doubt, however this game has a few things done right, and FP would add to that list.

Ps. Folks down at PubG are actually considering implementing FP servers only, so why not here? ;)

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Ive been asking for at least one first person server.  3rd person promotes corner camping and takes the realism feel out of the game.

Its silly to camp a corner and see without any fear or penalty of being seen.   

PUBG currently has 1st person only servers and I enjoy the style of combat much more knowing the enemy is not camping a corner safely.

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Nice to see folks are behind this idea.

37 minutes ago, sgregor said:

Forget it guys, I did the FPP server threads 3-4 months ago repeatedly and outcome was the same - no FPP servers will be added

Could you post a link please? Wouldnt want to go over all your threads.


How about adding an option to create servers for GDP with FPP at least?

Never mind the peaking etc, players can 'jump peak' as is now, so no new mechanic has to be coded in, just TPP has to be disables and FPP as default on start server game.


Keeping my fingers crossed, maybe one server could be added. Hell if a server with FPP only was added to open mode I would go and play there as well!

Ps. However this would work best for survival foremost.

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For the gamers, we want more immersive gaming and one aspect is FPS as it requires the player to be able to listen well and determine where an enemy is.  For me going FPS is actually easy given 8 years of competitive Battlefield and COD gaming experience,  I do understand that it can be harder for players that grew into this type of game.   ARMA is however one game that has successfully imported first and 3rd person into a successful model.

The issue with NewZ and third person is that it is to advantages for the person with a corner advantage.   3rd person can be fixed by removing the crosshair,  and by forcing to FPS aiming when right mouse is toggled.   This will remove the unfair advantage of a rifle  to insta kill and dissuade camping behind shields and objects.   

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7 minutes ago, jewdiciousorange said:

For the gamers, we want more immersive gaming and one aspect is FPS as it requires the player to be able to listen well and determine where an enemy is.  For me going FPS is actually easy given 8 years of competitive Battlefield and COD gaming experience,  I do understand that it can be harder for players that grew into this type of game.   ARMA is however one game that has successfully imported first and 3rd person into a successful model.

The issue with NewZ and third person is that it is to advantages for the person with a corner advantage.   3rd person can be fixed by removing the crosshair,  and by forcing to FPS aiming when right mouse is toggled.   This will remove the unfair advantage of a rifle  to insta kill and dissuade camping behind shields and objects.   

Altough your suggestions seem reasonable, and a middle ground to marry bot FPP and TPP in one mode, I can understand that there are hardcore NewZ players that are attached and used to the current mechanic, which is why I would get it if the devs would not be willing to change the current game mechanics; in order not to lose the player base.


However adding a FPP server additionaly to the existing TPP servers could create a new game, and people who get tired of Third person Persp. for the day could go and play First Person.

This can go as far as having 5 new slots for FPP characters, in order not to spoil current character match statistics (some people care about these), or ability to import and use current profile.

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